Message to my NewSpring Church friends who have stopped talking to me

One of the most baffling things I have experienced since I left NewSpring Church is how the people I used to talk to have all but disappeared. Anyone who has ever attended NewSpring Church knows how the volunteers go out of their way to make everyone feel welcomed.

When I first started attending NewSpring Church in Greenville, I made friends with some of the staff etc... I always enjoyed talking to them when I volunteered on Sundays and during membership class.

When I started digging deep into what Perry Noble was teaching and started speaking up against some of the things going on at NewSpring Church, problems began to arise.

I went out of my way to try to contact Perry Noble several times with questions about his teachings only to be intercepted by the campus pastor. I tried to e-mail Perry. I sent him messages on Twitter, etc... only to be completely ignored. When I decided to leave NewSpring Church I wrote two letters. One letter was sent to Perry Noble with my concerns based upon the Scriptures, and the other was sent as an e-mail to the Greenville campus pastor. In the e-mail to the Greenville Campus, I did not mention any of my concerns with Perry Noble.

I know some of you read my blog. I would like to say that my concerns and complaints with NewSpring Church have nothing to do with you. It is my prayer that you will read what I have been blogging about and go to the Scriptures as your final authority. All the good works, all the good intentions, and all the outward expressions of godliness do not pardon the errors being taught by Perry Noble. No matter how much you volunteer and see "x" number of confessions, it does not cover the fact the Perry Noble is giving you "sour milk."

In the Scriptures, we see that Jesus Christ did not come to bring harmony by ignoring errors. Many times Jesus and the apostles caused some problems by simply speaking the truth.

John 8:57-59 (New American Standard Bible)

⁵⁷So the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"

⁵⁸Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

⁵⁹Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.

The Jews did not get angry because Jesus was a radical as Perry Noble likes to claim. Jesus Christ obeyed the Law, therefore He corrected the errors taught by some of the rabbis. These people did not get mad because they were religious as Perry likes to proclaim, but they got angry because the Word spoke against what they wanted to hear and follow.

The same thing is done by Noble when people try to point out his errors and his love of the world. He rants and raves calling us "pissed off" because we are "religious." His condemnation of people like me is based upon what? It is based upon the fact that I pointed to Col 3:8 and I Cor 13 when I tried to talk to him about his rant against being a pastor. Take a look at this blog where Perry defends a heretic named Joel Osteen and a false teacher named T.D. Jakes. Why does Perry defend false teachers like Rob Bell and rant against people like me who are sola scriptura, upholding the Bible as our final authority in all matters of faith and practice?

It really saddens me when so many of my NewSpring friends no longer respond to my e-mails, etc... All I can do is pray that God opens your hearts to the truth. What was my crime? My crime was exposing the problems with Perry Noble.

Matthew 10:33-36 (New American Standard Bible)

³³"But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

³⁴"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

³⁵"For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;

³⁶and A MAN'S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD."

Speaking the truth is never an easy thing to do. Pointing out the many errors in Perry Noble's ministry must be done because Noble is teaching a form of Christianity that is against the Scriptures. See "Did Jesus argue doctrine?"

It is my prayer that you will read my blogs about Noble and understand my concerns. My problem is not with you or anyone else who volunteers/attends NewSpring Church. My problem is with Perry Noble and his rebellious carnal leadership which make the Word of God out to be some sort of "hip" and "cool" relevant game of keeping a numbers scoreboard. See "Confessing Christ, false professions, and the numbers game."

The Bible is my final authority in my life. The Bible commands me to point out errors and warn people about false teachers and dangerous doctrines.

2 Timothy 4:1-4 (New International Version)

2 Timothy 4

¹In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: ²Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. ³For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. ⁴They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

I truly hope that you understand my agenda and my reasons for exposing the errors taught by Perry Noble.

Romans 16:17-20 (New American Standard Bible)

¹⁷Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.

¹⁸For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting.

¹⁹For the report of your obedience has reached to all; therefore I am rejoicing over you, but I want you to be wise in what is good and innocent in what is evil.

²⁰The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.

Romans 3:3-5 (New American Standard Bible)

³What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?

⁴May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written,
"THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS,
AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED."

⁵But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? The God who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous, is He? (I am speaking in human terms.)

I stand by the Word of God as my foundation and my defense for my stand against Perry Noble and his false teachings.

Perry Noble twist the Scriptures to support his greed and "rock star" status

CEO Perry Noble all out twist the Scriptures in order to promote his multi-site church. Please go to Pajama Pages and watch this video "Perry Noble on the multi-site church"

I challenge any NewSpring supporters to defend Noble's blatant distortion of the Word of God to suit his own personal gain.

The Bible warns us about false teachers like Perry Noble.

2 Peter 2:1-3 (New American Standard Bible)

2 Peter 2

The Rise of False Prophets

¹But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

²Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;

³and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

1 John 4:1-3 (New American Standard Bible)

1 John 4

Testing the Spirits

¹Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

²By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

³and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

Perry Noble does not qualify to be a pastor according to the Word of God.

1 Timothy 3:1-7 (New American Standard Bible)

1 Timothy 3

Overseers and Deacons

¹It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do.

²An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

³not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money.

⁴He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity

⁵(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?),

⁶and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil.

⁷And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Perry Noble is a hireling only seeking his own fame or fortune. I find it odd that Noble refuses to meet with his people, but he can drive to Atlanta to eat. See this video "A Purpose Driven Scolding" as Noble rants against being a pastor. When you watch this video keep 1 Cor 13 in mind.

John 10:11-13 (New American Standard Bible)

¹¹"I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

¹²"He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.

¹³"He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep.

When I ponder all this information about Perry Noble it really angers and disgust me beyond what I can express on this blog. As a former NewSpring Church member, I fully understand how easy it is to be distracted by all the good works, the friendly volunteers, and the outward expression of godliness promoted by NewSpring Church. I fully understand that many who go to NewSpring are sincere honest people who have noble intentions as they work for the church. It is this sad truth that really angers me about Noble and how he abuses these people.

If you are a NewSpring Church member, I ask you to submit to the authority of the Scriptures. Ponder the Scriptures and ask yourself," Does Perry Noble actually obey the Word of God?" Please put aside the "no perfect people" defense that Perry Noble promotes and take a good hard look at his actions, his mouth, and his teachings.(See Perry Noble's bad advice and love of the world.)

It's one thing to have statements of faith like NewSpring, but it's another all together to follow these statements of faith. Perry Noble's antics are contrary to what God said that a pastor should be and contrary to how God commanded us to live as children of the King.

Perry Noble's defense of Joel Osteen and TD Jakes

CEO Perry Noble from NewSpring Church knows no boundaries when it comes to learning from other preachers. With Noble the evidence of God's blessing comes in the form of numbers rather than from actually teaching and following the commandments of God.

I have a philosophy of ministry that I used to not have–here it is, I can learn something valuable from any ministry that God is blessing–period!

I want to learn from people who do ministry differently than me…and it is amazing to me how stupid and insecure pastors and church leaders are when it comes to this.

For example–anytime I mention TD Jakes or Joel Osteen on this website we have idiots e-mail in with their “concerns” about issues in regards to their theology or teaching style. (As if the person e-mailing is perfect and has it all figured out!) (source)

Perry Noble resorts to his typical name calling and character attacks.What Noble fails to accept is that the Bible is the perfect Word of God and it is our final authority in matters of our faith. When heretics like Joel Osteen calls the Mormon Church Christian this goes far beyond Noble's blind-eye carnal defense. The Word of God condemns Osteen's defense of the false gospel of Joseph Smith.

2 Corinthians 11:3-5 (New American Standard Bible)

³But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.

⁴For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.

⁵For I consider myself not in the least inferior to the most eminent apostles.

Galatians 1:6-8 (New American Standard Bible)

Perversion of the Gospel

⁶I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;

⁷which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

⁸But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

Why does Perry Noble scoff at the Scriptures? All one has to do is read the Scriptures and then listen to Joel Osteen to see that Osteen is a false teacher. Why does Perry Noble say that God is blessing Osteen? The answer is Noble only see's a big church and the dollar sign!

BUT, I’ve said it before and I will say it again…I have an incredible amount of respect for both of those men. God is blessing their ministries in an incredible way…and I know there are tons of things that I could learn from them. Just because you are trying to learn something from someone doesn’t mean that you believe exactly like them!

(And for those who feel like you can only learn from just like you…please repent to God for being shallow and ridiculous!) (source)

It's Noble who should repent and stop scoffing at the Scriptures. It is Noble that said that God is blessing heretics like Joel Osteen and false teachers like TD Jakes. TD Jakes said that all religions lead to Heaven (John 14:5-7).

Pay special attention how Perry Noble attacks people who speak out against these two false teachers and how Noble pardons the Satanic lies both Osteen and Jakes teach. Noble pardons the false teachers and attacks the Christians contending for the faith. Do you see a problem here?

#6 – What if pastors spent more time focusing on God’s Word and their own church rather than attempting to be watchdogs of everyone else’s ministry?

Dang…that was good…even if I say so myself!!!

I’ve got to be honest…I really don’t have time to tear down the ministry efforts of others. Seriously, I’ve got enough to be concerned about in trying to be a good husband, father and pastor. The day I have the time to rip apart other people’s ministry is the day that my ministry will be fruitless and dead.

(That’s the only way I would have the time…you see, if a vineyard is producing fruit then you really don’t have the time to peak at the perceived fruitfulness–or unfruitfulness–of others.)

I once heard TD Jakes say, “The problem with most pastors is that they never leave the locker room–they always feel the need to compare!” WHEW!

Pastors…you and I can experience TRUE freedom when we compare ourselves to our calling and God’s vision for our ministry and NOT the church down the road or across the country! We will not be held accountable for their ministry–we will be held accountable for ours! (Hebrews 13:17) (source)

Seems that Noble does not take his own advice. I'll list some Scriptures to help Perry Noble in his quest to focus more on God's Word. God considered it important enough to warn us about false teachers and false prophets.

Romans 16:17-20 (New American Standard Bible)

¹⁷Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.

¹⁸For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting.

¹⁹For the report of your obedience has reached to all; therefore I am rejoicing over you, but I want you to be wise in what is good and innocent in what is evil.

²⁰The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.

Mark 13:21-23 (New American Standard Bible)

²¹"And then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ'; or, 'Behold, He is there'; do not believe him;

²²for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect.

²³"But take heed; behold, I have told you everything in advance.

2 Peter 2:1-3 (New American Standard Bible)

2 Peter 2

The Rise of False Prophets

¹But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

²Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;

³and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

Birds of a feather flock together. When you look at the people Perry Noble wants to meet, you will see a common problem within all these people.

Refer here for more about Perry Noble's love of the world and poor discernment.

1 John 4:1-3 (New American Standard Bible)

1 John 4

Testing the Spirits

¹Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

²By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

³and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

The fruit of Perry Noble is poisonous and sour. His spiritual discernment is defiled by his love of the world. Beware of this false teacher!

Another language catastrophe

James Duncan from Pajama Pages asks the question,"Why can’t these Turnstile leaders use words from God’s Word when they describe the church?" referring to their poor choice of words to describe the body of Christ. He brings up some good points in his blog Another language catastrophe.

The typical defenders of these seeker-sensitive purpose driven CEO's always point to the numbers rather than the substance when questioned.

"Furtick tweets that 649 people chose to publicly declare Christ as their Savior"(source)

and

"Just wait what he posts or critiques when he hears about Newsprings 906 baptisms and their 276 salvations that happened today"(source)

My question is do these people even understand what salvation means? Are they even taught repentance? It's easy to repeat a prayer or buy into a mob mentality just to fit into these "hip" and "cool" seeker sensitive churches.

From sitting under Perry Noble, I can testify that repentance from sin is not explained at NewSpring Church. Steven Furtick is just as confused as Noble when it comes to repentance and salvation.

Just saying the name "Jesus" is meaningless without the drawing of the Holy Spirit. Every defender of Furtick, Noble, and Cooper always refers back to these huge numbers are proof God is working in this Churches for the Carnal Nature of Mankind. I deal with this issue in Confessing Christ, false professions, and the numbers game.

Furtick and Noble defenders really need to ponder this passage and ask these questions," How did Jesus not know these people when they did such wonderful works in His name? Clearly it seemed that Jesus was blessing them and working within them? How did Jesus not know them?"

Matthew 7:21-23 (New American Standard Bible)

²¹"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

²²"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

²³"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO

PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

MORE ON: GOD OF THE EMERGING CHURCH

Over at Reformata there is another article dealing with the seeker-sensitive purpose driven church for the carnal nature of mankind. The "emerging" church is based upon the ever shifting sands of seeker-sensitive ploys to lure people into these self-help centers called churches.

Here is a good description of what wrong with the emergent church:

And in typical clever (not) Emerging Church fashion what made Rollins stop and think is a parable written in much the same style as his own writings; it simply reverses the original. In this case the author of the parable takes the poem Footprints In The Sand and twists it backward; so instead of being a pretty accurate depiction of the one true and living God of the Bible, this “Footprints” introduces us further to the insipid god of Emergence Christianity:

There was once a man who had lived a long and difficult life… The curtain was pulled back, and he stumbled through the light to meet God.

‘My Master and my Friend,’ the old man hailed God as he prostrated himself before God’s feet. Hearing no reply, the man looked up and saw God shuffling awkwardly in his chair, not quite managing to fight back a blush across his cheeks…

‘Tell me, Lord,’ he said, knowing already the lines that would come, ‘tell me what the footprints mean.’… And slowly God replied, his voice shaking with emotion. ‘The years when you have seen only one set of footprints, my child, is when you carried me.’… (source)

You can read the full blog at MORE ON: GOD OF THE EMERGING CHURCH.

The sour fruit of Perry Noble: NewSpring Children's minister defends his love of filthy rap music!

The love of the world runs deep within the inner workings of NewSpring Church in SC. It's really disturbing to know that NewSpring Church's Greenville Campus Children's Minister Pudge Huckaby openly defends listening to filthy language (See the picture) and justifies it by making it an outreach to hurting people. Where is the discernment from right and wrong? How can such worldly filth be used to reach people when God clearly said in His Word to be separate? 2 Corinthians 6:16-18

Here are some examples taken from Mr. Huckaby. I want you to truly ponder the example Pudge Huckaby is setting for the children who go to NewSpring Church. Ask yourself what kind of fruit will grow as Pudge waters their minds with the things of the world?

"One of the things that DRIVES me in CM is that I want to expose as many kids as I can to the unconditional, unfailing, unmeasurable love of Jesus Christ!

I want them to KNOW and FEEL God’s love in such a way that it over powers the pain that the world cuts them with! So many of us are sheltered and ignorant when it comes to the “real life” stories that children go through today." source

Pay attention to how Pudge is setting up his defense. He starts off by talking about the unconditional love of Christ. Christ's love for us is unconditional, but living for Christ does have conditions because God told us not to love the world.

Notice the emphasis on "knowing and feeling" God's love. Pudge then proceeds to label anyone who speaks out against his carnality as being sheltered and ignorant. This is a good setup to ignore critics because Pudge immediately painted a picture of us as:

1.) Not understanding the unconditional love of Christ.

2.) We are sheltered and ignorant to the real world.

To help me prove this point, I want to look at a popular rap song, but before I dig in…(source)

Instead of going to the Word of God, Pudge proceeds to dig into popular culture for his defense.

YES, I LOVE RAP MUSIC! And (not to chase a white rabbit here but…) I LOVE EMINEM’S music too, and many others that say “bad words” in their music! And before many of you FREAK OUT because a Children’s Pastor just said he liked “bad music,” let me explain!

I love their music because it is packed with EMOTION and tells a story! They pour their hearts out and (if you listen hard enough) you will be exposed to a reality that most Christians miss because they are too busy being a “Pharisee” rather than a Christ follower. They tell the story of a broken heart, a broken world, and help me to remember the reality of what it feels like to be lost & without hope! (source)

Now we get to the heart of Pudge's defense for rap. The bottom line is Pudge loves rap music no matter how filthy the words, how foul the message, no matter how explicit the sexual the content, etc... Pudge loves the world far more than he loves the Word of God! Romans 12:1-3

It's amazing how he just lumps us as Pharisee and not Christ followers if we speak out against the poison he is teaching. I would like to know which Christ Pudge is following because that Jesus Christ is not found in the Word of God. My Jesus taught us not to love the world(1 John 2:15-16). My Jesus would never defend the worldly filth coming from people like Pudge Huckaby(Col 3:8). My Jesus loves the lost who are without salvation because He died for them, therefore He redeems them to a new life in Him by separating them from their past sins(2 Corinthians 5:16-18). My Jesus told us not to love the world(James 4:4) and not to be taken captive by it (Col 2:8). So which Jesus is Pudge following?

Now, after reading those lyrics you are thinking one of two things…

1. How could I listen to such music
2. How can I help

If you are thinking the first, I’m sorry I let you down. I’ll work harder to continue to care more about where God is leading me than what makes you feel “safe”

If you are thinking the second, I’m with you!

The thing that catches me about this song is that its someones STORY! It’s many peoples STORY! And tragically many times, the 1st thoughts we have as believers has more to do with condemning them and their story than finding ways to pour out the love of Christ on them…no matter their situation.

With all this, verses like James 1:27 have been sticking with me HARD lately! (source)

In this statement Pudge gives us a glimpse into his heart. We see the arrogance, rebellion, and prideful attitude coming from him as he defends his rebellion(Jude 1:17-19). It's amazing how he ends this using James 1:27 as a defense. Clearly Pudge Huckaby has been corrupted and taken captive by the world. His own words are a testimony to this sad fact.

There’s something brewing in me with this. There are single mom’s, homeless children & tragic stories EVERYWHERE in our communities! Day after day they are longing for hope, dying for love and begging that someone would show them the love that Christ has POURED out on us IN HIS MERCY!!

They are waiting for a happy ending…

I have a dream…(source)

What's brewing in Pudge is rebellion and sin. This is a classic example of the blind leading the blind. The end result of Pudge's seeker-sensitive-purpose-driven vision is rebellion and having a form of godliness but denying God's power to change us.

2 Timothy 3:1-7 (New International Version)

2 Timothy 3

Godlessness in the Last Days

¹But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. ²People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, ³without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, ⁴treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— ⁵having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

⁶They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, ⁷always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth.

I'll again refer to the Pilgrim's blog "When the world's your mistress" as a source to expand on this blog. The Pilgrim lays a solid defense for the Word of God exposing people like Pudge Huckaby who only want to mix the world with the Word. In the end, the world overpowers the Word and it is evident in the testimonies of these worldly pastors.

In all fairness, Pudge is just the fruit of Perry Noble's preaching and teaching.

If anyone from NewSpring Church reads this blog, I really hope that you ponder what I have been saying about NewSpring's leadership. The end result of NewSpring's teachings are sin and rebellion. The final result is a church where there is no difference between it and the world except they attach the name "Jesus" to everything in sight.

Brad Cooper's foul mouth and poor judgment

Since I have been blogging about Brad Cooper's filthy mouth, poor judgment, and love of the world, I thought it would be very fitting to link this video Do you frickin believe the Bible? . For those of you who do not know what the slang word "frickin" means you can Google it. I refuse to put this filthy word on my blog. I will warn you that it is pure filth. It is repulsive that a student pastor would use such a ungodly evil word and then point to the Holy Bible.

It's very evident that Brad Cooper does not believe the Bible when it speaks against filthy language, living godly, and striving to put aside worldly love (See my other blogs about Brad Cooper). He believes the Bible only when it suits his purpose-driven agenda.

The old NewSpring Church defense of "No perfect people" does not work here because there is no excuse for this type of language.

Brad Cooper's slang and poor judgment

Brad Cooper Student Pastor from NewSpring Church in SC has dug deep into the pits of worldly slang once again to describe FUSE. Brad Cooper has taught me two new slang terms I knew nothing about until he introduced them to me this year. I had no idea what "BAMF" meant until I looked it up and blogged about it here (my concern with Brad Cooper) and here (Brad Cooper's twisted defense for cussing). After pressure from myself and others in the Upstate of SC, Brad Cooper tweeted his new definition of the filthy acronym "BAMF" see "Big Audacious Mighty Fortress" instead of admitting he was wrong for using the foul acronym. Now Brad has decided to introduce another "hip" and "cool" relevant term to describe FUSE! Yes, it's now "BangORang"! For all you old folks like me, who do not own a seeker-sensitive manual for luring people into the church, we must look here (Urban Dictionary for BangORang) for an understanding as to what Cooper is saying about FUSE. Now granted, this is no where near the filth you will find if you look up "BAMF", but it still leads you to a place of sinful words (Refer to Col 3:8).

I'll give Cooper the benefit of the doubt on his usage of this slang term. I will even say that he meant "awesome" when he used this slang. The problem is why does Brad Cooper deem it necessary to lead his followers to a place where they will encounter worldly filth? As a youth pastor, he should be leading his sheep away from the things of the world and pointing them to godliness.

One issue that really stood out to me tonight when I read this on Pajama Pages was how does Brad Cooper know about these words? I'm 38 years old and I had never heard the term "BAMF" and "BangORang." How does Brad Cooper know about slang terms like BAMF and BangORang? What's Brad Cooper reading and watching behind closed doors? What is Cooper filling his mind with that compels him to use these types of terms to describe FUSE? These are questions every parent should ask Brad Cooper and NewSpring Church.

Let's look at what God said in His Word about our actions and walk in life:

Titus 2:5-8 (New International Version)

⁵to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

⁶Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled. ⁷In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness ⁸and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.

Titus 2:11-15 (New International Version)

¹¹For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. ¹²It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, ¹³while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, ¹⁴who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

¹⁵These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 (New American Standard Bible)

²¹But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;

²²abstain from every form of evil.

3 John 1:11 (New American Standard Bible)

¹¹Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good The one who does good is of God; the one who does evil has not seen God.

I'm sure these verses are not in NewSpring Church's seeker-sensitive-purpose-driven manual for Casting Vision to draw people into the church.

Thankfully we still have these verses in the Word of God!

2 Timothy 4:1-5 (New International Version)

2 Timothy 4

¹In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: ²Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. ³For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. ⁴They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. ⁵But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

Life Past the 10th Grade..from Lane's Blog

Here is an interesting blog by Lane Chaplin from Lane's Blog. He is dealing with some of Pastor (CEO) Perry Noble's poor judgement and filthy mouth.




Here is an example taken from Lane'e Blog:

One of the things I deal with a on a daily basis is comments from unbelievers and immature professors of Christ. I'll usually block the abrasive unbelievers and try to at least converse with those who profess to believe but aren't clear about things and even the unbelievers who are cordial. One thing that I notice in each is a fundamental misunderstanding of their beliefs about what exactly I believe. Unfortunately, this tendency is fully functioning not only in the groups previously mentioned, but also in the professing pastors that come and comment occasionally... which brings us to the case in point. (source)

Please check out "Life past the 10th grade" for more info and some good insights from my friend Lane Chaplin.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 is talking about marriage. NOT preaching, NOT methodology. Really?

While discussing Perry Noble and his love of the world a blogger made this statement about 2 Corinthians 6:14-17:(source)

"your 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 reference is talking about marriage. NOT preaching, NOT methodology."

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 (New American Standard Bible)

¹⁴Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?

¹⁵Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?

¹⁶Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said,
"I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM;
AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
¹⁷"Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE," says the Lord.
"AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN;
And I will welcome you.

This blogger is trying very hard to defend the carnality and worldliness of Senior Pastor Perry Noble from NewSpring Church. I'm amazed at the hoops many NewSpring defenders will jump through to defend Noble and his rebellion.

Here is a reference that might help explain this passage:

6:14-15. What hampered the Corinthians’ open, loving response, which Paul called for? (v. 13) Answer: rival suitors vied for their affections and allegiance. Though verses 14-15 are often applied to various sorts of alliances (e.g., mixed marriages, improper business associations), Paul’s primary association was probably ecclesiastical. The rival suitors were possibly pagan idolaters (cf. 1 Cor. 10:14) or more likely false apostles (cf. 2 Cor. 11:2-4). In censure or affection Paul was equally candid (cf. 6:11).

The solution to the dilemma was for the Corinthians to separate from the false apostles. Whatever may have been their own and others’ estimation of their spiritual status, Paul considered the false apostles to be unbelievers (cf. 11:13-15) from whom the Corinthians needed to separate. But Paul did not say that Christians should have no contacts whatever with unbelievers. Earlier he argued the absurdity of such a position (1 Cor. 5:9-10). But religious unbelievers might lead believers astray from “sincere and pure devotion to Christ” (2 Cor. 11:3), and the fact concerned Paul greatly. A believer can be rightly yoked only with Christ (Matt. 11:29-30).

To illustrate, Paul asked five rhetorical questions (2 Cor. 6:14-16), posing antitheses that reflect the wide chasm between the kingdom of Christ and the kingdom of Satan (cf. Col. 1:13). Belial (the Gr. Beliar is a spelling variation) transliterates an Old Testament word that means “worthless person.” In Greek it came to mean “a lawless person.” It was then used of Satan, the most worthless and lawless of all.

6:16. Paul’s fifth rhetorical question provided a transition to his citing several Old Testament verses. Their cumulative effect bolstered Paul’s exhortation (v. 14a). The church is the temple of God (cf. 1 Cor. 3:16) where the Spirit of God and Christ dwells (cf. Matt. 28:19-20; Eph. 2:22). The promise of God to live among His people was ultimately fulfilled in Christ (Matt. 1:23).

6:17. Enjoying God’s presence requires personal holiness. Paul cited a portion of Isaiah 52:11 and Ezekiel 20:41, passages that speak of Israel’s redemption. God’s people are redeemed from pagan bondage (come out from them and be separate) in order to be clean before God (touch no unclean thing) and thus enjoy fellowship with Him (I will receive you). In Galatians Paul spoke of the bondage of those who are under the obligation of the Law (Gal. 3:13-14; 4:5; cf. 2 Cor. 3:7-9). Paul wrote to Titus that redemption implied two things: (a) deliverance “from all wickedness” and (b) a purified people who are “His very own, eager to do what is good” (Titus 2:14). Personal purity makes it possible to serve God and be received by Him.^[1]

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^[1]Walvoord, J. F., Zuck, R. B., & Dallas Theological Seminary. (1983-c1985). The Bible knowledge commentary : An exposition of the scriptures (2:570-571). Wheaton, IL: Victor Books.

Rob Bell heresy and NewSpring leadership's lack of discernment

Rob Bell is a heretic. There is no other way to describe this man's beliefs without using the term heresy.

In my last blog, I mentioned that Perry Noble, Senior Pastor of NewSpring Church, listens to Rob Bell (refer to iPod). It seems this poison has been spread to Brad "BAMF" Cooper as an example to follow because of Perry Noble (See this link). One of the dangers of Perry Noble's worldliness and poor interpretation of the Bible is seen by a lack of discernment (See this Cooper tweet) from his under ministers. The fruit of Noble's liberal, humanistic, self-help topical teachings is seen clearly when his leadership reads after Rob Bell.

Please check out Fighting for the Faith's radio broadcast about the heresies of Rob Bell. If you are a supporter or member of NewSpring Church, then ask yourself why does Perry Noble listen to this heretic? Where is the warning from NewSpring Church's leadership about the dangers of following a man like Rob Bell?

I'm truly concerned for the people going to NewSpring Church. This is why I discuss these issues on my blog to serve as a warning by uplifting the Scriptures to expose the worldliness, bad advice, and rebellion coming from NewSpring Church.

I simply do not understand why Perry Noble does not warn his people about the dangers emerging from Rob Bell.

Perry Noble's bad advice and love of the world

NewSpring Church Senior Pastor Perry Noble is running full steam ahead with the "score" and "scoreboard" slogan lately. James Duncan from Pajama Pages has been discussing this "scoreboard" defense used by Perry Noble to counter or should I say ignore his critics.

I want to examine this Twitter post from Perry Noble and take a hard look at some of his more colorful antics at NewSpring Church. I will focus on his statement that "God did not call the church to withdraw from the world" and compare it with what God told us about the world in the Bible. I have already dealt with the "scoreboard" logic in my blog Confessing Christ, false professions, and the numbers game, so I'm not going to get into that part again.

The first bad advice from Perry Noble is assuming that pastors and leaders can run up a spiritual scoreboard. This is very flawed advice that puts the emphasis on the pastor and church leadership rather than on Jesus Christ. This type of advice leads to a cult of personality with heavy emphasis on the leaders and church culture. I would suggest that Perry Noble ponder the Doctrines of Grace a little more or think about what he is posting to Twitter before he posts it.

Let's move on to the subject of the church not withdrawing from world. I fully agree with Perry Noble that the church must not withdraw from the world (Refer to my blog "In the hedge and on the highway" for my thoughts on how we reach out to people). Perry Noble is big on outreach and numbers. He is always referring back to his slogan, "to make the name of Jesus famous one life at a time!" as his rallying battle cry. To me, this slogan is just another marketing tool used to promote NewSpring Church. It's not like Jesus needs us to make His name famous. I'll put aside my prejudice of this slogan for a moment to say I fully agree with it and Perry Noble's vision. In making the name of Jesus famous should we not focus on more than just saying the name and counting heads? In making Jesus' name famous we should show the world Jesus as Jesus is described in the Bible. Perry Noble's visions for making Jesus' name famous does not accurately reflect the outline found in the Bible for spreading Jesus' name. Let's dig a little deeper into Noble's rabbit hole and see what we find. As a former NewSpring Church member, I have some first hand knowledge of how NewSpring's rabbit holes work.

When Perry Noble gives advice that the church is not to withdraw from the world it sounds really good until you get to know what Noble is referring to with this statement. Perry Noble uses the hooks and snares of the world to bait and switch unregenerated people into visiting NewSpring Church. This tactic works, and it works well. The proof is easily seen in the numbers of people who attend NewSpring Church.

Let's examine some of Perry Noble's advice and actions from the past:

Last Easter Perry Noble used AC\DC's Highway to Hell as an opening song at NewSpring Church (see also Perry Noble's message from AC/DC Sunday). Perry has claimed people were saved because of using AC\DC's "Hell's Bells" . If you read the links, you will see how Perry Noble believed that God used worldly music to spread His Gospel. Perry Noble's severe lack of discernment is seen in his blog called I-Pod as he refers to Rob Bell (see link for Bell's heresy) as a preacher he listens to on a regular basis. Perry Noble also uses some very colorful language(cussing), crude language, prophetic visions , and bad advice. He promotes worldly songs like those by Usher (refer to Can I enjoy movies and culture and still be a Christian? around the 35-40 minute mark) that encourage people toward sinful thoughts, and uses lust- filled songs like "Crazy in Love" (refer to NewSpring's "Crazy in Love” by Beyonce) all in the name of making Jesus name famous. These antics are used by Perry Noble to help spread the the Gospel of Jesus Christ by reaching out and appealing to culture to draw those without Jesus into the church.

We can see in these examples how Perry Noble details what he means by "not withdrawing from the world" which is translated: "Use the world's music, tactics, and language to be relevant to reach the lost. As long as we worship Jesus this is all good because the ends justify the means." Perry Noble adds to his statement by saying, "Run up the score" which is translated: "When you are criticized for your actions, simply point to the number of members attending your church as evidence God is working in your ministry through your vision".

Now let's examine Perry Nobles's actions and claims using the Berean example found in Acts 17:11.

Acts 17:11 (New International Version)

¹¹Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

In the Bible it clearly tells us not to love the world (1 John 2:14-18 ,1 John 2:15, Romans 8:5-8) or to be held captive by it (Colossians 2:1-9).

The Bible tells us to abstain from evil (1 Peter 2:10-12 ,1 Thessalonians 5:21-23) and to be of good reputation (1 Timothy 3:1-7 , Titus 1:1-9 ,Titus 2:6-8, Philippians 2:14-16)

The Bible tells us to not have a filthy mouth (Col 3:8).

When we compare the Scriptures to Perry Noble, we see a problem with his ministry. Do we see Perry Noble when we read this passage?

Titus 2:11-13 (New American Standard Bible)

¹¹For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,

¹²instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,

¹³looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Lastly, I want to discuss Perry Noble's distortion of Acts 17:22-24 he presented in Can I enjoy movies and culture and still be a Christian? 08/10/08 from week 5 of the "You asked for it" series. This is a very good illustration by Perry Noble that shows us exactly what he means by not withdrawing from the world. The way Perry Noble twists and distorts the Apostle Paul is borderline heresy. Noble paints a picture as if Paul dug deep into Greek culture. I'm sorry, Mr. Noble, but in Greece Zeus was considered the god of the gods and many people knew about Zeus. It's not like the quote that Paul used was unknown except for an enlightened few who followed Greek culture. This did not mean that Paul spent his time partaking in the Greek culture. I challenge anyone reading this blog to listen to this message and simply study the Scriptures. One thing we must keep in mind is that Paul was dealing with a false religion and not popular culture as implied in this sermon by Perry Noble.

In this account of the unknown god in Acts 17, Perry Noble's carnal interpretation of this event fails the test of the Scriptures. One would think Paul studied and regularly used Greek pagan culture in his preaching to the Greeks according to Noble's presentation of this event. Paul did not bring this idol, Greek culture, or any relevant secular works into the church to draw the Greek people in. Paul did not use the relevant excuse to put worldly culture into the church like Noble uses to justify his antics at NewSpring Church. Paul warned us against these things in Romans 12:1-3, 2 Corinthians 10:1-3, Romans 6:1-3, Romans 6:14-16 so why would Paul tell these Greeks they are the exception to the rule? If this was the case then why did Paul even bother writing 1 and 2 Corinthians?

I can explain the point of Acts 17:22-24 using myself as an example. If I walked by a group of Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses debating who God is and how we know who Jesus was, then this would be very similar to what happened in Acts 17. Because I have studied the Mormon and the Jehovah Witness faiths, I can answer their questions using their terminology about who Jesus Christ really is by simply leading them to the true Scriptures. If I took Perry Noble's explanation of this event as a guide to my walk with Jesus, then I would add Mormon/Jehovah Witness culture and literature: The Book of Mormon and the New World Translation, to my study and include them in my sermons. Taking Noble's advice a little further, I could go back to my church to add Mormon and Jehovah Witness books, study guides, magazines, lesson plans, etc... in the church to lure Mormons and Jehovah Witness into the house of God. I could turn right around and claim that because I used Mormon/Jehovah Witness culture that God used this "relevant" material to lead "x" number of people to Christ! Clearly this poor explanation from Perry Noble about the Apostle Paul is laying a foundation of foolish advice, worldliness, confusion, and carnality in the Christian faith. The bottom line is Perry Noble willingly twisted the Scriptures out of context in order to defend his love of the world and the world's culture that holds him captive. Noble jumps through hoops in order to make the Word of God sound as if it justifies Noble's rebellion and love of the world.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 (New American Standard Bible)

¹⁴Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?

¹⁵Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?

¹⁶Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said,
"I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM;
AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
¹⁷"Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE," says the Lord.
"AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN;
And I will welcome you.

The Scriptures command those of us in Christ to separate ourselves from loving the world, abstain from any appearance of evil, to live a life striving to live godly for Jesus. The old Perry Noble "No Perfect People Allowed" defense does not justify loving the world and walking in carnality. When God inspired the prophets to write the Bible, God clearly understood that we are not perfect people which is why He gave us 1 John 2:1-3 as a reminder when we fall short and sin. God wants us to love Him above all. Mr. Noble, you cannot mix light with darkness no matter how many members you have, your church's good works, how many million dollar buildings you have, etc... and then say God is telling you to do so. God will never tell us to use sin as a tool to spread the Gospel. The father of lies will tell us that sin is not that bad as long as something good comes from it. In other words, Satan will lead us to believe that if worldliness leads to a profession of Christ then worldliness is justified because it helps make Jesus' name famous.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (New International Version)

¹³For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. ¹⁴And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. ¹⁵It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Fighting for the Faith: The Perry Noble NewSpring Church Special

Fighting for the Faith has an excellent interview with Ron Click who is a former NewSpring Church member. This interview is very insightful about some of the errors being taught at NewSpring Church. I highly recommend listening to the episode from Pirate Christian Radio.

Chris Rosebrough did a good interview with Ron Click. Mr. Rosebrough has a very insightful critique of one of Perry Noble's sermons after the interview that reflects some of the major issues brought up by Mr. Click.

I am a former NewSpring member. I am very concerned by NewSpring's antics and liberal interpretations of the Scriptures.

I testify that I have seen and heard the things that Ron Click discussed in this interview. We cannot be taken back by NewSpring's good works, friendly outreach, and Sunday shows without searching the Scriptures to see if what NewSpring is teaching is correct. Perry Noble's view of sin, total depravity of mankind, God's grace drawing us to repentance, and our carnal nature being hostile towards God is presented very weak in many of his sermons.

Brad Cooper's twisted defense for cussing

I can not describe my feelings about Brad Cooper's defense of cussing and using foul terms like "bamf" to describe the bride of Christ. I am lost for words at the rebellion, carnality, and pride displayed in this quote from Brad Cooper.

No where is the Scripture sighted in context as a defense. He did reference Luke 6:45 but totally twisted it out of logical context.

Brad Cooper may have changed his view as to what filthy speech means, but God's view does not change regardless of Brad Cooper's humanist explanation based upon the shifting sands of "the ends justify the means".

Let's look at God's Word and see what God said about our speech and testimony.

Titus 2:5-8 (New International Version)

⁵to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

⁶Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled. ⁷In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness ⁸and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.

Using bad language like "bamf" to describe the church is not soundness of speech. Those outside of the Christian faith even condemn this type of filth. This term is so vile I could not put it on a public billboard because of profanity laws.

Titus 2:11-15 (New International Version)

¹¹For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. ¹²It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, ¹³while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, ¹⁴who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

¹⁵These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

Brad Cooper's distortion of the Word of God leaves the door open for ungodliness and worldly passions. The cussing he is defending is vile and ungodly which is in clear violation of God's clear commandments found easily in His Word.

Colossians 3:8 (New International Version)

⁸But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

God clearly meant what He said regardless of how Brad Cooper wants to redefine God's Word.

I was not required to dig deep into the Bible to refute Brad Cooper's carnal defense of cussing.

It is clear to me that Brad Cooper is not interested in obeying the Scriptures. His defense and distortions of profanity is vile in itself because it only requires the speakers' intention regardless if the words spoken are offensive to those who hear it. This is against what the Scriptures teach us as Christians.

My concern with Brad Cooper from NewSpring Church

I have been trying to get Brad Cooper Student Pastor from NewSpring Church to talk with me about his comments referring to FUSE. Brad Cooper used the acronym BAMF to describe the body of Christ. The acronym is so filthy and vulgar that I refuse to put it on my blog. For those of you interested in this relevant worldly "hip" acronym BAMF you can google it, but beware you will be in for a shock. How can a pastor use such a foul term to describe the bride of Christ?

I have been posting on Brad Cooper's blog, sending him Twitter messages, etc.. He deleted one of my post and called me a coward. When I presented the facts and offered to meet with him, he ignored my request.

In the Bible it deals with this type of filthy language.

Colossians 3:8 (NIV)
^3:8 But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

I find it alarming that NewSpring has not dealt with this in public. Since Brad Cooper used this term twice, that I know about in public, referring to the body of Christ, then NewSpring should correct this in public and Brad Cooper apologize to our community in public.

This is not an unreasonable request by me. This type of filth should not be used to describe the church especially by a student pastor!

Parents, how would you feel if you son or daughter starting referring to stuff as BAMF? When you ask where did they hear such speech? The answer is,"Brad Cooper from FUSE! He is so cool and relevant to us!"

Join me and e-mail NewSpring Church to demand a public apology from Brad Cooper and NewSpring Church. Contact the local media and report this please. Help me to stand up against this type of abuse and irresponsibility by speaking out peacefully using our freedom of speech and freedom of the press.